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[ORIGIN] Serie 600
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Chekatron said:
Exacto xD
Como hizo con la cater (y acertó), Teller predice que crecerá un 150% sobre las stats oficiales, para que mobiliario, componentes y espacios mantengan una proporción humana adecuada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYmu31eQnA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYmu31eQnA8
Lo que no entiendo muy bien es...por qué? Qué ha pasado según él? CIG ha diseñado mal la nave?
Jack Carburo said:
No, solo las malditas stats públicas. Sin olvidar que es todo wip. Teller explica en la descipción del video, que si no se incrementa el volumen de la nave al 150%, el interior de la nave parece apto solo para hobbits. Al comienzo del video hace una demostración visual.
Madre mía esto es raro, raro, raro...xD
Ya está el Q&A de la 600: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/16093-Q-A-Origin-600i
Tiene sus puntos divertidos:
-Parece haber una confusión en el Q&A entre torreta de defensa de punto (antimisil) y torreta automatizada. O eso o ahora las torretas automatizadas pueden derribar misiles!
-Como no, para que la gente la compre, afirman que para el tamaño que tiene es probablemente, una de las naves mejores para jugar en solitario, de serie.
-También dicen que es más rápida que una connie, pero al tener una masa mucho mayor, no en maniobrabilidad. Puedes cambiar las armas fijas por articuladas.
-No tiene medbay. Error! en una multi de exploración me parece una gran falta para esta nave.
"-How are the 600i w/ Exploration Module capabilities compared to those of the Carrack or Aquila?
The 600i exploration module features two manned scanning stations, a deployable ramp for an exploratory ground vehicle, an Origin-created Rover and SCU storage for any artifacts needing to be stored once discovered, so it is a solid option for explorers looking to purchase a stylish alternative to the Aquila, while the Carrack should provide a much longer term exploration base and facilities.
-Is the 600i w/ Exploration Module’s 36 SCU of cargo space when carrying the rover or when not carrying the rover?
The figures are based on the ship cargo capacity while not including the Rover. The exploration module not only has the lift for the rover, but also space for the additional SCUs.
-Will there be more modules and if so, which can we expect?
No further modules are currently in the pipeline, but the beauty of a modular ship means that nothing is off the table in terms of expanding the 600i’s options down the line.
-Why are there no Point Defense Systems similar to other high-end luxury ships like the Phoenix and 890 Jump?
The 600i features 2x remote turrets, so in the instance that the ship is fully crewed, and your gunners are up to it, they will be able to ensure your ship stays protected from threats. If required, you can equip them to be set up with an AI module, which you can choose to leave enabled.
-Can the Touring and Explorer modules be swapped in and out of a single 600i?
That is indeed the eventual plan, yes. Modules will be purchasable separately and will be swappable in game after that functionality exists.
-The 600i is a supremely expensive ship for its size and role, especially against the larger Carrack and cheaper Constellation. Why is this? What benefits are worth the increased expense?
We are building a universe, and part of that means we can consider aspects that a standard game does not, such as value and desirability. When we look at vehicles in the real world, its apparent that more functionality does not always mean something is more expensive, and vice versa. In the Star Citizen universe, a sleek, luxury ship created by Origin will bring certain connotations with it, in the same way most people would find a sports coupé more desirable than a family sedan, despite the fact it has less seats and cup-holders.
-How does the range of the 600i compare to the other exploration ships?
As stated above, the extra scanning stations and rover storage mean the 600i is a fully capable exploration ship with that module in that size range. The Carrack should provide more robust and longer term exploration option.
-Can the 600i be flown effectively solo?
The 600i is, fundamentally, a multi-crew ship. However, for its size is probably one of the most solo-friendly ships out of the box. By utilizing unmanned remote turrets and capable shields, a skilled pilot should be able to effectively pilot the 600i solo in most regards.
-The Origin Rover is listed as a separate item in the standalone versions of the 600i Explorer but is the rover also going to be included if you upgrade (CCU) another ship to a 600i Explorer?
Yes, upgrading to the 600i Explorer Edition will indeed grant you an included Rover.
-What agility can we expect from this ship versus the Constellations considering that the 600i has more than twice the mass of RSI’s ship? This is especially important since the 600i comes with fixed guns and no gimbals.
Whilst the 600i may be faster than the Constellation in a straight line (more on Thruster ratings in a later answer) it will suffer in its maneuvering due its bulk and size. The fixed weapons that come default can be swapped out to gimbals like other ships.
-Will it have room enough to carry an 85x instead of the Origin-branded rover?
Until the ship is fully built and implemented this is difficult to say with complete certainty, but the 85x has a much larger footprint than a Rover so we consider this unlikely to fit. While ships smaller than the Rover may technically “fit,” the lift is designed purely for a ground vehicle, so maneuvering a ship in there might prove risky in terms of causing damage to both vessels.
-How many beds, toilets and save seats for passengers does a 600i Touring have?
The 600i bridge has 3 seats for the pilot and crew members. The exploration module gives you a further 2 seats for the manned scanning stations. There is a dedicated captain’s quarters and beds for the remaining crew members in their quarters. Exact number of toilets is still to be determined, but you can probably expect at least 2 in the crew washroom and one in the captains quarters.
-Can both the Origin X1 & Rover dock securely inside an Origin 600 at the same time?
This should certainly be possible yes. The lift platform itself is the perfect fit for the Rover, but there is nothing to stop you storing the X1 in the cargo storage area of the exploration module. Bear in mind that if you choose to do this then it wont be a quickly accessible option and as such we’d recommend a Rover or X1, rather than both.
-How many missiles can the Origin 600i carry? In the brochure the 600i is stated to carry 16 S3 missiles yet the website states 4x S3 pylons with 16 missiles each (total of 64). Or was this just a misunderstanding and it can carry either 16xS3, 32xS2 or 64xS1 missiles?
The perils of active development! To clarify, the 600i has 4 missile racks that can hold 4x S3 missiles each, giving a grand total of 16 S3 missiles for the ship.
-What parts of the ship change between the touring and exploration variants? Is it just the rear window section and rover bay area depicted in concept?
The swappable module is in the core of the ship itself. The rear window is present on the standard 600i hull, and is a viewing gallery of sorts.
-The brochure states its faster than most ships of its size and it states it has 4 TR2 thrusters. How is that achieved, compared to the constellations TR5 thrusters (according to ship stats) and the way lower weight of the constellation class?
This is a flaw of the current stats page and matrix, and will be remedied with the update coming online with the release of SC Alpha 3.0. The thrusters of both ships will most likely be in the same power band alongside updates to their mass. The current stats page does not support the internal design for a lot of items at present.
-Is the 600i Touring variant intended to be a money-maker in the realm of VIP passenger transport, similarly to the 890 Jump and Genesis Starliner?
The 600i is not intended as such to be a commercial vehicle. Where the 890 Jump and the Starliner are the luxury private superyacht and commercial people carrier, the 600i is on the compact end of the private yacht scale.
-Why only 16 and 36 SCU for such a large ship?
One of the unique selling points of the 600i is that it is a luxury ship. So the answer to this is really the same as to why you can fit more cargo in a minivan, than you could a Lamborghini; cargo storage practicality takes a back seat to aesthetic and comfort.
-Will the 600i Explorer have a medical area?
The 600i does not have a medical area no, due to it not holding a huge crew, this would be a room that ended up potentially being used rarely.
-Why is the Series named different from the 300/800 Series? Explorer should be the 615p and not the 600i Exploration Module.
The reason for this is that the 600i is modular, meaning that the swappable modules are what make the ship suit the desired role. Regardless of what module you have installed, the ship is a 600i.".
Tiene sus puntos divertidos:
-Parece haber una confusión en el Q&A entre torreta de defensa de punto (antimisil) y torreta automatizada. O eso o ahora las torretas automatizadas pueden derribar misiles!
-Como no, para que la gente la compre, afirman que para el tamaño que tiene es probablemente, una de las naves mejores para jugar en solitario, de serie.
-También dicen que es más rápida que una connie, pero al tener una masa mucho mayor, no en maniobrabilidad. Puedes cambiar las armas fijas por articuladas.
-No tiene medbay. Error! en una multi de exploración me parece una gran falta para esta nave.
"-How are the 600i w/ Exploration Module capabilities compared to those of the Carrack or Aquila?
The 600i exploration module features two manned scanning stations, a deployable ramp for an exploratory ground vehicle, an Origin-created Rover and SCU storage for any artifacts needing to be stored once discovered, so it is a solid option for explorers looking to purchase a stylish alternative to the Aquila, while the Carrack should provide a much longer term exploration base and facilities.
-Is the 600i w/ Exploration Module’s 36 SCU of cargo space when carrying the rover or when not carrying the rover?
The figures are based on the ship cargo capacity while not including the Rover. The exploration module not only has the lift for the rover, but also space for the additional SCUs.
-Will there be more modules and if so, which can we expect?
No further modules are currently in the pipeline, but the beauty of a modular ship means that nothing is off the table in terms of expanding the 600i’s options down the line.
-Why are there no Point Defense Systems similar to other high-end luxury ships like the Phoenix and 890 Jump?
The 600i features 2x remote turrets, so in the instance that the ship is fully crewed, and your gunners are up to it, they will be able to ensure your ship stays protected from threats. If required, you can equip them to be set up with an AI module, which you can choose to leave enabled.
-Can the Touring and Explorer modules be swapped in and out of a single 600i?
That is indeed the eventual plan, yes. Modules will be purchasable separately and will be swappable in game after that functionality exists.
-The 600i is a supremely expensive ship for its size and role, especially against the larger Carrack and cheaper Constellation. Why is this? What benefits are worth the increased expense?
We are building a universe, and part of that means we can consider aspects that a standard game does not, such as value and desirability. When we look at vehicles in the real world, its apparent that more functionality does not always mean something is more expensive, and vice versa. In the Star Citizen universe, a sleek, luxury ship created by Origin will bring certain connotations with it, in the same way most people would find a sports coupé more desirable than a family sedan, despite the fact it has less seats and cup-holders.
-How does the range of the 600i compare to the other exploration ships?
As stated above, the extra scanning stations and rover storage mean the 600i is a fully capable exploration ship with that module in that size range. The Carrack should provide more robust and longer term exploration option.
-Can the 600i be flown effectively solo?
The 600i is, fundamentally, a multi-crew ship. However, for its size is probably one of the most solo-friendly ships out of the box. By utilizing unmanned remote turrets and capable shields, a skilled pilot should be able to effectively pilot the 600i solo in most regards.
-The Origin Rover is listed as a separate item in the standalone versions of the 600i Explorer but is the rover also going to be included if you upgrade (CCU) another ship to a 600i Explorer?
Yes, upgrading to the 600i Explorer Edition will indeed grant you an included Rover.
-What agility can we expect from this ship versus the Constellations considering that the 600i has more than twice the mass of RSI’s ship? This is especially important since the 600i comes with fixed guns and no gimbals.
Whilst the 600i may be faster than the Constellation in a straight line (more on Thruster ratings in a later answer) it will suffer in its maneuvering due its bulk and size. The fixed weapons that come default can be swapped out to gimbals like other ships.
-Will it have room enough to carry an 85x instead of the Origin-branded rover?
Until the ship is fully built and implemented this is difficult to say with complete certainty, but the 85x has a much larger footprint than a Rover so we consider this unlikely to fit. While ships smaller than the Rover may technically “fit,” the lift is designed purely for a ground vehicle, so maneuvering a ship in there might prove risky in terms of causing damage to both vessels.
-How many beds, toilets and save seats for passengers does a 600i Touring have?
The 600i bridge has 3 seats for the pilot and crew members. The exploration module gives you a further 2 seats for the manned scanning stations. There is a dedicated captain’s quarters and beds for the remaining crew members in their quarters. Exact number of toilets is still to be determined, but you can probably expect at least 2 in the crew washroom and one in the captains quarters.
-Can both the Origin X1 & Rover dock securely inside an Origin 600 at the same time?
This should certainly be possible yes. The lift platform itself is the perfect fit for the Rover, but there is nothing to stop you storing the X1 in the cargo storage area of the exploration module. Bear in mind that if you choose to do this then it wont be a quickly accessible option and as such we’d recommend a Rover or X1, rather than both.
-How many missiles can the Origin 600i carry? In the brochure the 600i is stated to carry 16 S3 missiles yet the website states 4x S3 pylons with 16 missiles each (total of 64). Or was this just a misunderstanding and it can carry either 16xS3, 32xS2 or 64xS1 missiles?
The perils of active development! To clarify, the 600i has 4 missile racks that can hold 4x S3 missiles each, giving a grand total of 16 S3 missiles for the ship.
-What parts of the ship change between the touring and exploration variants? Is it just the rear window section and rover bay area depicted in concept?
The swappable module is in the core of the ship itself. The rear window is present on the standard 600i hull, and is a viewing gallery of sorts.
-The brochure states its faster than most ships of its size and it states it has 4 TR2 thrusters. How is that achieved, compared to the constellations TR5 thrusters (according to ship stats) and the way lower weight of the constellation class?
This is a flaw of the current stats page and matrix, and will be remedied with the update coming online with the release of SC Alpha 3.0. The thrusters of both ships will most likely be in the same power band alongside updates to their mass. The current stats page does not support the internal design for a lot of items at present.
-Is the 600i Touring variant intended to be a money-maker in the realm of VIP passenger transport, similarly to the 890 Jump and Genesis Starliner?
The 600i is not intended as such to be a commercial vehicle. Where the 890 Jump and the Starliner are the luxury private superyacht and commercial people carrier, the 600i is on the compact end of the private yacht scale.
-Why only 16 and 36 SCU for such a large ship?
One of the unique selling points of the 600i is that it is a luxury ship. So the answer to this is really the same as to why you can fit more cargo in a minivan, than you could a Lamborghini; cargo storage practicality takes a back seat to aesthetic and comfort.
-Will the 600i Explorer have a medical area?
The 600i does not have a medical area no, due to it not holding a huge crew, this would be a room that ended up potentially being used rarely.
-Why is the Series named different from the 300/800 Series? Explorer should be the 615p and not the 600i Exploration Module.
The reason for this is that the 600i is modular, meaning that the swappable modules are what make the ship suit the desired role. Regardless of what module you have installed, the ship is a 600i.".
A mí me ha quedado claro como el agua: me quedo con la Carrack xD. Te lo están diciendo claramente: es cara porque es bonita y lujosa, como un lamborghini. Yo no termino de verle el punto al tema del lujo en un videojuego...entiendo que la gente en la vida real se compre un deportivo lujoso para fardar y que se te suban las nenitas al coche. Pero en un juego no sé yo si ese supuesto lujo justifica el precio de la nave. Yo creo que sólo me compraría algo así si me salieran los UECs por las orejas, simplemente por coleccionar. Pero para eso queda mucho aún xD.
Lo que sí que me ha gustado de esta nave es que dicen que va a ser fácilmente soleable. En este apartado, si la comparamos con la Carrack por ejemplo, sí que es un buen punto a su favor. La Carrack no sé yo si va a ser posible si quiera intentar solearla con bots...he intentado buscar un Q&A sobre la Carrack y la Reclaimer para ver si hablan de esto, pero no lo he encontrado. No sé si es que no existe Q&A de esas naves.
Lo que sí que me ha gustado de esta nave es que dicen que va a ser fácilmente soleable. En este apartado, si la comparamos con la Carrack por ejemplo, sí que es un buen punto a su favor. La Carrack no sé yo si va a ser posible si quiera intentar solearla con bots...he intentado buscar un Q&A sobre la Carrack y la Reclaimer para ver si hablan de esto, pero no lo he encontrado. No sé si es que no existe Q&A de esas naves.
Jack Carburo said:
En principio tanto la Carrack como la Reclaimer las podrás pilotar solo (y utilizar sus funciones). Necesitas 4 NPCs, ya que son 5 de tripulacion. Lo que pasa es que serán bastante menos efectivas que si llevas 2 o 3 amigos.
Luego ya en cuanto a la 600i yo creo que la clave no está en como lo vemos los jugadores, si no como lo ve un NPC ricachon del planeta Perico que te va a pagar una jodida pasta porque le lleves a él y a su family (o sus compis de negocios) a otro planeta. Y esos tios te aseguro que solo viajarán en 600i, 890 Jump, Phoenix, etc XDDDD.
Es lo que creo que es la clave del transporte de lujo en el juego: lo que puedas sacar por transportar gente VIP que SOLO quiere viajar en esas naves.
Yo creo que esta nave solo renta si lo que buscas como función principal es el transporte de pasajeros VIP. Incluso en ese caso yo casi que prefiero una Connie Phoenix. Creo que es un poco mas funcional. Aunque el diseño de la 600i sea espectacular, claro
El problema con lo que comentais de hacer misiones de transporte de VIPS con la 600 en modo toring, y está generando polémica en los foros y reddit, es que según esté Q&A, no es posible:
"-Is the 600i Touring variant intended to be a money-maker in the realm of VIP passenger transport, similarly to the 890 Jump and Genesis Starliner?
The 600i is not intended as such to be a commercial vehicle. Where the 890 Jump and the Starliner are the luxury private superyacht and commercial people carrier, the 600i is on the compact end of the private yacht scale."
Los backers están pidiendo una alcaración, rectificación, segundo q&a al respecto, según cada uno. Había quienes estaban interesados en esta 600 touring, o que ya la habían comprado, como alternativa a la Phoenix para comercializarla con misiones de transporte de VIPS. Y se han encontrado con esta respuesta.
En general me parece muy mal redactado este Q&A
"-Is the 600i Touring variant intended to be a money-maker in the realm of VIP passenger transport, similarly to the 890 Jump and Genesis Starliner?
The 600i is not intended as such to be a commercial vehicle. Where the 890 Jump and the Starliner are the luxury private superyacht and commercial people carrier, the 600i is on the compact end of the private yacht scale."
Los backers están pidiendo una alcaración, rectificación, segundo q&a al respecto, según cada uno. Había quienes estaban interesados en esta 600 touring, o que ya la habían comprado, como alternativa a la Phoenix para comercializarla con misiones de transporte de VIPS. Y se han encontrado con esta respuesta.
En general me parece muy mal redactado este Q&A
Predicador said:
Ah vaya, no me había fijado. Pues entonces si que me parece que esta nave quedaría relegada (en comparacion con otras) a la compra ingame, porque si solo va a ser para "el transporte VIP de cada uno mismo y sus colegas"... XDD. En fin, a ver en que queda todo. No es que me interese esta nave, pero si que quizas la Phoenix me hacía algo de tilin, aunque sea casi imposible conseguirla ni en Noviembre.
Gracias por la aclaracion Predicador
Geodesics said:
Con las definiciones oficiales que han dado de las categorías de tamaños, hay un montón de naves que hay que mover a otro subforo (y reescribir las definiciones de cada subforo de tamaño).
Incluso aunque la 600i se hubiera mantenido con su tamaño original, debería seguir trasladándose al subforo de vehículos grandes, porque según las definiciones de CIG, los vehículos grandes son aquellos que miden entre 50 y 150 metros. Con lo que, en este subforo mismo, no sólo hay que cambiar de sitio la 600i, sino también la Constellation y el Retaliator (que son naves grandes en vez de medianas).
Aquí tenéis un par de imágenes del puente de la 600i y una tercera de un corredor, todas ellas procedentes del informe mensual de diciembre:
Según el informe mensual, la 600i está entrando en su fase de arte final. En su exterior, los propulsores y el tren de aterrizaje están casi completados, y se ha empezado a trabajar en la torreta. Están puliendo el interior, y pronto terminarán el trabajo con el puente, los corredores y el módulo de exploración. Si comparáis el estado actual del puente con el de ilustraciones mostradas anteriormente, veréis que, atendiendo a las opiniones de la comunidad, han decidido eliminar unas barras que habían en las ventanas del puente porque obstaculizaban demasiado la vista. Si miráis la siguiente imagen (anterior a los últimos cambios), veréis que había una barra horizontal situada exactamente a la altura de los ojos del piloto y el copiloto (algo parecido a lo que le ocurre a la carlinga de la Terrapin, que es de suponer que corregirán). Es lo que tiene empezar desde fuera el diseño de una nave.
Según el informe mensual, la 600i está entrando en su fase de arte final. En su exterior, los propulsores y el tren de aterrizaje están casi completados, y se ha empezado a trabajar en la torreta. Están puliendo el interior, y pronto terminarán el trabajo con el puente, los corredores y el módulo de exploración. Si comparáis el estado actual del puente con el de ilustraciones mostradas anteriormente, veréis que, atendiendo a las opiniones de la comunidad, han decidido eliminar unas barras que habían en las ventanas del puente porque obstaculizaban demasiado la vista. Si miráis la siguiente imagen (anterior a los últimos cambios), veréis que había una barra horizontal situada exactamente a la altura de los ojos del piloto y el copiloto (algo parecido a lo que le ocurre a la carlinga de la Terrapin, que es de suponer que corregirán). Es lo que tiene empezar desde fuera el diseño de una nave.
Pero qué fea es la puta nave
Me temo que estoy de acuerdo con MenchenFive, no me gusta nada la estética de esta nave XD
¿Cómo es que ya está en fase final de desarrollo habiendo tantas naves que han salido antes a la espera? ¿Tiene algo de especial esta nave o se sabe algo sobre por qué tanta prisa en terminarla?
??? No me digáis que este va a ser el año de Origin... solo me faltaba eso, entonces ya me olvido de videojuegos y me vuelvo una persona responsable XD
¿Cómo es que ya está en fase final de desarrollo habiendo tantas naves que han salido antes a la espera? ¿Tiene algo de especial esta nave o se sabe algo sobre por qué tanta prisa en terminarla?
??? No me digáis que este va a ser el año de Origin... solo me faltaba eso, entonces ya me olvido de videojuegos y me vuelvo una persona responsable XD
